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« on: June 08, 2008, 02:46:56 PM »

I've been trying to get a grasp on a cards EV, and am just now running into stuff like this, where the EV changes depending on your position. Of course these figures also change with the number of players on a table. Interesting stuff, now, where did I put those memory enhancement pills.


Below is a table of Texas Holdem starting hands, ordered by their Expected Value (EV) in a 9 player holdem game. These statistics were produced by PokerRoom.com, using millions of their own hand histories to compute the following results. The below chart is very interesting because you can see the EV change as your position changes along the table, and you'll notice how some hands become profitable once you have a favorable position. The unit for EV is average profit in big bets.
 

   Position
Cards   SB   BB      3         4         5       6          7     8         D
AA   2.65   2.67   2.35   2.55   2.48   2.54   2.64   2.73   2.81
KK   1.69   1.62   1.70   1.66   1.73   1.75   1.96   1.95   2.06
QQ   0.99   1.14   1.27   1.13   1.20   1.24   1.33   1.26   1.36
JJ   0.67   0.65   0.72   0.76   0.87   0.80   0.81   0.97   0.91
TT   0.41   0.37   0.38   0.55   0.50   0.46   0.65   0.62   0.60
99   0.19   0.19   0.32   0.31   0.23   0.34   0.33   0.33   0.31
88   -0.07   0.15   0.17   0.17   0.20   0.24   0.20   0.25   0.18
77   0.01   0.04   0.00   0.19   0.03   0.05   0.03   0.16   0.16
66   -0.07   -0.04   0.02   0.08   0.02   0.04   0.07   0.08   0.03
55   -0.11   0.01   0.06   0.17   -0.03   0.01   0.06   0.00   -0.02
44   -0.04   -0.20   -0.01   -0.08   -0.07   -0.03   -0.00   0.04   -0.08
33   -0.19   -0.14   -0.08   -0.06   -0.02   -0.09   0.01   -0.02   -0.00
22   -0.11   -0.10   -0.14   -0.05   -0.16   -0.01   -0.04   -0.03   -0.08
AK   0.38   0.43   0.44   0.44   0.49   0.55   0.58   0.60   0.61
AK s   0.81   0.65   0.65   0.77   0.77   0.91   1.02   0.80   0.85
AQ   0.18   0.21   0.26   0.28   0.30   0.34   0.34   0.35   0.35
AQ s   0.51   0.45   0.67   0.61   0.63   0.71   0.62   0.61   0.71
AJ   0.05   -0.00   0.08   0.08   0.17   0.18   0.20   0.25   0.29
AJ s   0.42   0.41   0.27   0.32   0.38   0.34   0.35   0.46   0.51
AT   -0.04   -0.08   -0.03   0.02   0.03   0.02   0.04   0.03   0.10
AT s   0.28   0.12   0.23   0.27   0.31   0.35   0.23   0.47   0.45
A9   -0.17   -0.21   -0.00   -0.03   -0.10   -0.10   0.02   -0.08   -0.05
A9 s   0.10   0.01   0.09   0.09   0.08   0.10   0.20   0.43   0.15
A8   -0.20   -0.23   -0.09   -0.16   -0.09   -0.10   -0.11   0.01   -0.04
A8 s   0.04   -0.01   0.10   0.01   0.04   0.08   0.04   0.08   0.17
A7   -0.24   -0.29   -0.18   -0.12   -0.07   -0.12   -0.10   -0.11   -0.09
A7 s   -0.03   -0.05   0.11   0.02   0.04   0.06   0.18   0.07   0.18
A6   -0.25   -0.26   -0.15   -0.13   -0.12   -0.11   -0.08   -0.09   -0.09
A6 s   -0.05   -0.16   0.07   -0.07   -0.01   0.04   0.10   0.13   0.02
A5   -0.28   -0.27   -0.15   -0.08   -0.12   -0.10   -0.11   -0.11   -0.08
A5 s   -0.01   -0.08   -0.06   0.00   0.02   0.07   0.10   0.02   0.09
A4   -0.24   -0.30   -0.11   -0.13   -0.12   -0.12   -0.08   -0.09   -0.09
A4 s   -0.05   -0.18   -0.00   -0.04   0.03   0.01   0.08   -0.02   0.00
A3   -0.26   -0.27   -0.12   -0.12   -0.12   -0.10   -0.10   -0.10   -0.11
A3 s   -0.09   -0.11   0.01   0.07   -0.02   -0.01   -0.01   -0.03   0.07
A2   -0.27   -0.33   -0.16   -0.14   -0.14   -0.13   -0.11   -0.08   -0.11
A2 s   -0.13   -0.04   -0.07   0.07   -0.05   -0.07   -0.02   0.05   0.06
KQ   0.06   -0.01   0.16   0.11   0.15   0.13   0.13   0.20   0.22
KQ s   0.35   0.37   0.42   0.38   0.44   0.38   0.41   0.42   0.68
KJ   0.00   -0.08   0.03   0.02   0.09   0.03   0.09   0.10   0.09
KJ s   0.17   0.17   0.19   0.10   0.20   0.24   0.35   0.28   0.44
KT   -0.07   -0.10   -0.06   0.01   -0.02   -0.06   -0.03   0.00   0.04
KT s   0.08   0.01   0.10   0.06   0.37   0.10   0.14   0.28   0.15
K9   -0.19   -0.22   -0.11   -0.09   -0.09   -0.07   -0.07   -0.06   -0.07
K9 s   -0.03   -0.04   0.07   0.05   0.07   0.03   0.10   0.10   0.07
K8   -0.27   -0.27   -0.13   -0.09   -0.07   -0.09   -0.09   -0.06   -0.05
K8 s   -0.13   -0.11   0.03   -0.01   0.06   -0.01   -0.01   -0.02   0.04
K7   -0.29   -0.30   -0.13   -0.08   -0.08   -0.06   -0.06   -0.06   -0.08
K7 s   -0.11   -0.07   -0.12   0.00   0.00   -0.07   -0.04   -0.02   -0.00
K6   -0.23   -0.31   -0.13   -0.06   -0.09   -0.07   -0.06   -0.04   -0.05
K6 s   -0.17   -0.22   0.02   -0.04   -0.08   -0.06   -0.12   -0.10   0.16
K5   -0.25   -0.32   -0.10   -0.07   -0.06   -0.07   -0.06   -0.07   -0.05
K5 s   -0.17   -0.16   -0.13   -0.02   -0.12   -0.03   -0.07   -0.04   -0.08
K4   -0.29   -0.32   -0.12   -0.07   -0.05   -0.08   -0.07   -0.05   -0.06
K4 s   -0.18   -0.20   -0.02   -0.03   -0.12   -0.05   -0.02   -0.03   -0.06
K3   -0.29   -0.33   -0.09   -0.07   -0.07   -0.07   -0.03   -0.05   -0.03
K3 s   -0.16   -0.25   -0.13   -0.02   -0.05   -0.10   -0.04   -0.03   -0.04
K2   -0.29   -0.35   -0.10   -0.07   -0.07   -0.06   -0.06   -0.06   -0.05
K2 s   -0.17   -0.22   -0.03   -0.14   0.01   -0.09   -0.13   -0.09   -0.02
QJ   -0.12   -0.13   -0.02   -0.07   -0.01   -0.03   -0.02   0.04   0.03
QJ s   0.06   0.06   0.25   0.13   0.20   0.21   0.25   0.21   0.39
QT   -0.14   -0.14   -0.12   -0.06   -0.05   -0.10   -0.03   0.02   0.03
QT s   0.18   0.09   0.10   0.24   0.06   0.11   0.29   0.17   0.26
Q9   -0.20   -0.21   -0.13   -0.06   -0.09   -0.09   -0.09   -0.07   -0.03
Q9 s   -0.02   -0.14   0.04   0.07   0.05   0.05   -0.01   -0.04   0.08
Q8   -0.28   -0.32   -0.09   -0.06   -0.07   -0.05   -0.05   -0.07   -0.04
Q8 s   -0.10   -0.16   -0.03   -0.03   0.04   -0.02   -0.08   0.01   0.06
Q7   -0.29   -0.37   -0.09   -0.05   -0.03   -0.05   -0.07   -0.05   -0.03
Q7 s   -0.20   -0.17   -0.09   -0.12   -0.16   -0.13   -0.04   -0.09   -0.05
Q6   -0.29   -0.35   -0.08   -0.06   -0.05   -0.07   -0.04   -0.04   -0.05
Q6 s   -0.23   -0.20   -0.09   -0.07   -0.17   -0.02   -0.09   -0.05   0.07
Q5   -0.29   -0.34   -0.09   -0.04   -0.06   -0.04   -0.05   -0.03   -0.04
Q5 s   -0.20   -0.23   -0.11   -0.08   -0.08   -0.07   -0.07   -0.06   -0.04
Q4   -0.32   -0.35   -0.09   -0.05   -0.04   -0.05   -0.04   -0.06   -0.04
Q4 s   -0.25   -0.27   -0.19   -0.12   -0.10   -0.06   -0.01   -0.11   -0.08
Q3   -0.29   -0.33   -0.10   -0.05   -0.04   -0.04   -0.03   -0.04   -0.04
Q3 s   -0.24   -0.23   -0.17   -0.09   -0.12   -0.08   -0.07   -0.05   -0.01
Q2   -0.28   -0.38   -0.10   -0.06   -0.04   -0.03   -0.03   -0.02   -0.03
Q2 s   -0.23   -0.13   -0.12   -0.13   -0.08   -0.06   -0.05   -0.06   -0.07
JT   -0.12   -0.15   -0.10   -0.06   -0.08   -0.07   -0.04   -0.04   0.03
JT s   -0.05   0.04   0.13   0.03   0.16   0.19   0.14   0.45   0.21
J9   -0.22   -0.26   -0.08   -0.09   -0.07   -0.08   -0.08   -0.04   0.01
J9 s   -0.04   -0.02   -0.06   -0.07   0.01   0.00   0.05   0.12   -0.00
J8   -0.23   -0.32   -0.09   -0.07   -0.05   -0.02   -0.09   -0.02   -0.05
J8 s   -0.09   -0.16   -0.04   -0.04   -0.02   -0.04   -0.06   0.02   0.06
J7   -0.30   -0.34   -0.10   -0.05   -0.07   -0.05   -0.04   -0.06   -0.05
J7 s   -0.19   -0.31   -0.22   -0.07   -0.13   -0.00   -0.05   -0.07   -0.04
J6   -0.27   -0.39   -0.09   -0.05   -0.04   -0.03   -0.04   -0.03   -0.02
J6 s   -0.22   -0.23   -0.12   -0.11   -0.05   -0.08   -0.06   -0.10   0.01
J5   -0.30   -0.37   -0.08   -0.04   -0.04   -0.05   -0.03   -0.05   -0.03
J5 s   -0.11   -0.33   -0.10   -0.11   -0.10   -0.07   -0.02   -0.06   -0.09
J4   -0.28   -0.40   -0.07   -0.04   -0.02   -0.03   -0.03   -0.03   -0.04
J4 s   -0.26   -0.26   -0.13   -0.14   -0.10   -0.08   -0.11   -0.09   -0.10
J3   -0.30   -0.38   -0.08   -0.04   -0.03   -0.02   -0.03   -0.01   -0.01
J3 s   -0.29   -0.27   -0.16   -0.08   -0.10   -0.10   -0.09   -0.13   -0.07
J2   -0.30   -0.39   -0.08   -0.04   -0.03   -0.01   -0.03   -0.03   -0.03
J2 s   -0.21   -0.32   -0.11   -0.06   -0.08   -0.03   -0.12   -0.14   -0.13
T9   -0.24   -0.21   -0.11   -0.08   -0.06   -0.08   -0.09   -0.05   -0.06
T9 s   -0.13   -0.13   0.02   -0.04   -0.01   0.04   0.09   0.11   0.06
T8   -0.23   -0.29   -0.09   -0.04   -0.06   -0.05   -0.06   -0.03   -0.04
T8 s   -0.13   -0.20   -0.00   -0.01   -0.06   -0.05   0.07   0.03   0.01
T7   -0.28   -0.34   -0.05   -0.04   -0.04   -0.03   -0.02   -0.03   -0.01
T7 s   -0.20   -0.28   -0.12   -0.05   -0.11   -0.09   0.03   -0.01   0.01
T6   -0.28   -0.35   -0.08   -0.03   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02
T6 s   -0.26   -0.31   -0.13   -0.13   -0.09   -0.12   -0.08   -0.13   -0.11
T5   -0.29   -0.38   -0.08   -0.02   -0.03   -0.03   -0.03   -0.02   -0.02
T5 s   -0.28   -0.27   -0.13   -0.09   -0.07   -0.07   -0.19   -0.09   -0.07
T4   -0.27   -0.37   -0.09   -0.03   0.00   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.03
T4 s   -0.19   -0.20   -0.07   -0.11   -0.12   -0.07   -0.08   -0.07   -0.09
T3   -0.26   -0.41   -0.07   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.03   -0.01
T3 s   -0.25   -0.33   -0.13   -0.08   -0.09   -0.13   -0.08   -0.04   -0.06
T2   -0.28   -0.37   -0.08   -0.03   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01
T2 s   -0.28   -0.36   -0.11   -0.11   0.02   -0.04   -0.05   -0.01   -0.08
98   -0.21   -0.22   -0.14   -0.04   -0.06   -0.05   -0.03   -0.05   -0.06
98 s   -0.08   -0.11   -0.03   0.08   0.00   0.01   -0.10   0.02   0.04
97   -0.25   -0.30   -0.09   -0.01   -0.04   -0.04   -0.04   -0.02   -0.03
97 s   -0.17   -0.17   -0.01   0.02   -0.00   -0.05   -0.04   -0.02   0.09
96   -0.25   -0.34   -0.09   -0.03   -0.03   -0.04   -0.00   -0.02   -0.03
96 s   -0.22   -0.22   -0.10   -0.10   -0.06   -0.07   -0.02   -0.10   0.03
95   -0.28   -0.40   -0.09   -0.04   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.02   0.01
95 s   -0.17   -0.27   -0.07   -0.05   -0.08   -0.08   -0.04   -0.06   -0.04
94   -0.27   -0.38   -0.08   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.01   -0.02   -0.02
94 s   -0.28   -0.34   -0.15   -0.12   -0.09   -0.09   -0.08   -0.06   -0.07
93   -0.28   -0.40   -0.08   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.02
93 s   -0.29   -0.32   -0.09   -0.07   -0.06   -0.02   -0.10   -0.06   -0.03
92   -0.28   -0.42   -0.08   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.02   -0.01   -0.02
92 s   -0.31   -0.24   -0.12   -0.09   -0.06   -0.07   -0.10   -0.06   -0.04
87   -0.23   -0.28   -0.12   -0.06   -0.06   -0.06   -0.08   -0.04   -0.07
87 s   -0.13   -0.11   -0.01   -0.04   -0.00   -0.03   -0.01   -0.02   0.02
86   -0.23   -0.31   -0.09   -0.05   -0.04   -0.03   -0.03   -0.04   -0.04
86 s   -0.19   -0.29   -0.09   -0.03   -0.04   -0.08   -0.08   -0.07   -0.05
85   -0.26   -0.35   -0.05   -0.03   -0.02   -0.03   -0.03   -0.02   -0.03
85 s   -0.22   -0.26   -0.12   -0.08   -0.12   0.01   -0.11   -0.09   -0.10
84   -0.29   -0.35   -0.07   -0.02   -0.03   -0.01   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02
84 s   -0.15   -0.28   -0.16   -0.11   -0.09   -0.10   -0.13   -0.07   -0.08
83   -0.27   -0.39   -0.08   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   0.00   -0.01   -0.02
83 s   -0.29   -0.34   -0.13   -0.17   -0.10   -0.06   -0.05   -0.08   -0.09
82   -0.28   -0.41   -0.09   -0.02   -0.01   -0.01   -0.01   -0.01   -0.01
82 s   -0.23   -0.31   -0.10   -0.10   -0.03   -0.06   -0.06   -0.07   -0.08
76   -0.24   -0.30   -0.10   -0.05   -0.05   -0.05   -0.03   -0.02   -0.03
76 s   -0.12   -0.03   0.05   -0.11   0.10   0.00   -0.06   -0.08   0.06
75   -0.23   -0.35   -0.07   -0.03   0.01   -0.04   -0.02   -0.02   -0.03
75 s   -0.15   -0.23   -0.08   -0.11   -0.06   -0.04   0.04   -0.14   -0.03
74   -0.26   -0.37   -0.07   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02
74 s   -0.19   -0.18   -0.08   -0.09   0.04   -0.08   -0.07   -0.06   -0.05
73   -0.29   -0.39   -0.06   -0.03   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.01   -0.02
73 s   -0.30   -0.22   -0.10   -0.09   -0.09   -0.06   -0.04   -0.10   -0.04
72   -0.27   -0.39   -0.08   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02
72 s   -0.29   -0.25   -0.09   -0.09   -0.03   -0.03   -0.04   -0.06   -0.07
65   -0.24   -0.33   -0.07   -0.05   -0.06   -0.07   -0.04   -0.04   -0.04
65 s   -0.11   -0.13   -0.12   -0.11   -0.03   -0.10   -0.05   0.03   -0.05
64   -0.28   -0.32   -0.07   -0.03   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.03   -0.02
64 s   -0.22   -0.25   -0.07   -0.04   -0.09   -0.09   -0.05   0.03   0.05
63   -0.25   -0.33   -0.07   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.03   -0.03   -0.03
63 s   -0.28   -0.19   -0.13   -0.10   -0.07   -0.03   -0.09   -0.05   0.07
62   -0.27   -0.39   -0.07   -0.03   -0.01   -0.01   -0.02   -0.01   -0.02
62 s   -0.31   -0.32   -0.11   -0.08   -0.08   -0.08   -0.06   -0.05   -0.05
54   -0.27   -0.33   -0.09   -0.05   -0.04   -0.04   -0.03   -0.04   -0.05
54 s   -0.18   -0.20   -0.13   -0.12   -0.07   0.09   0.12   0.01   -0.06
53   -0.26   -0.37   -0.08   -0.04   -0.03   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02
53 s   -0.20   -0.18   -0.13   -0.02   -0.05   -0.02   0.04   -0.07   -0.05
52   -0.28   -0.37   -0.07   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.01   -0.02
52 s   -0.28   -0.35   -0.10   -0.08   -0.07   -0.01   -0.06   0.04   -0.10
43   -0.26   -0.35   -0.08   -0.02   -0.01   -0.03   -0.03   -0.04   -0.04
43 s   -0.21   -0.26   -0.10   -0.07   -0.08   -0.10   -0.06   -0.10   -0.01
42   -0.28   -0.37   -0.08   -0.02   -0.03   -0.02   -0.02   -0.02   -0.03
42 s   -0.25   -0.32   -0.12   0.04   -0.09   -0.10   -0.10   -0.05   -0.09
32   -0.29   -0.37   -0.08   -0.05   -0.03   -0.04   -0.05   -0.04   -0.03
32 s   -0.20   -0.29   -0.15   -0.10   -0.12   -0.16   -0.11   -0.07   -0.08
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 04:01:40 PM »

Wow I don't understand any of that stuff. I better get to learning you just made me feel stupid. LOL
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